Episode 62: A Conversation with Carol Wallace

Life. It’s funny, you know? Like the time both of us were sick for so long that we couldn’t record Catherine the Great Part 2 for this week’s show but, instead, have this conversation between Beckett and Carol Wallace?

Funny in a “well, that’s a little different” way.

In 2010 one of us- Beckett- wanted to hear a podcast like her favorite book of all time, To Marry an English Lord, by Gail MacColl and Carol Wallace, but couldn’t find one. So we made one.

In 2014 we had drinks with Carol Wallace.

In 2015 this conversation was recorded and lived in a computer until now.

The book that inspired this podcast AND Downton Abbey!

The book that inspired this podcast AND Downton Abbey!


Episode 9: Gilded Age Heiresses

Call them whatever you want; Gilded Age Heiresses, Dollar Princesses, Buccaneers– they all point to the same type of woman. Spanning about a twenty year time period wealthy American ladies of marrying age headed across the pond to snag the ultimate in opulent accessories: a noble title.

In this episode, the third part of our Gilded Age series, we sit down to a chat about several of these women. If you have yet to listen to the Mrs Astor podcast, you might want to take some time to do that now. We do reference several people discussed in that episode.

During the last part of the 1800s the British economy was drifting from agriculturally-based to more industrial. The funds nobility required to maintain not only their magnificent homes, but their lifestyle, was diminishing.

On the other side of the Atlantic, a group of American Mamas and Daughters have stalled socially. They could not enter the next tier of society and felt the best option to propel them into that social level was to have a title in the family. Not short of cash, and having well educated and adventurous daughters, they headed to England. Awaiting them was Edward VII, Prince of Wales who had a very soft spot in his heart for these charming young women.

A young (and thin) Prince of Wales

Edward VII, once he hit his stride

One of the first women to become titled was Brooklyn-born Jennie Jerome Churchill.

Jennie Jerome Churchill

In 1873, a 19 yr old Jennie meets Lord Randolph Spencer-Churchill,  Second son (and therefore NOT the title-inheritor!) of the 7th Duke of Marlborough.

Quick, scandalous  proposal. Slower engagement.  Some hoops had to be jumped through by the couple, and finally the Prince of Wales got involved. Jennie married at  the British Embassy in Paris the following spring and became Lady Churchill… and seven months later she gave birth to a full term son…and named him Winston.

He was a lot cuter as a kid.

Lady Randolph and her sons Winston and John

We talked a bit about the Minnie Stevens and her mother. Minnie, soon to be Lady Paget, that is.

Next up in our discussion is Consuelo Yznaga.

Consuelo Ygnaza showing off her tiny waist

She landed her title as Duchess of Manchester when she married Viscount Mandeville in 1876. This union really got things hopping in NYC after Consuelo’s childhood friend Alva Vanderbilt threw a ball in her honor. (Seriously, if you don’t know who Alva is or what happened at that ball, you simply MUST listen to the Mrs Astor podcast!) Alva was also inspired to get a title for her one and only daughter whom she had named after her childhood friend…Consuelo. (Yes, same one. How many Consuelos can there be in this story?)

Mom. Alva Vanderbilt.( Of course we found the most stern pic of her possible!)

Sweet Consuelo

Consuelo Vanderbilt was raised to become royalty. Alva saw to all her education, as well as overseeing the suitors who came sniffing around. Alva, wishing to draw attention away from the fact that she and Willliam K were divorcing, got things moving as only Alva could. Consuelo had, for a brief moment, developed a backbone and told Mommy Dearest that she was engaged to be married to someone Mom did not approve of. Alva manipulated that thought right out of her daughter’s head and in 1895 a tearful 18 year old Consuelo married of Charles Spencer- Churchill, the 9th Duke of Marlborough, becoming a Duchess. Consuelo and The Duke marry.

Satirical cartoon by Charles Dana Gibson. Whoever could that be? (Note the couple kneeling at Cupid’s Coffin)

She gave him not only a hefty dowry, but also two boys in rapid succession. She gave us the clever phrase,” an heir and  a spare”.

Mom Consuelo

The fam. Note how the artist, Singer Sargent, posed Consuelo to appear as if she were standing on stairs to give her a reason for being taller than the Duke.

We love the look on her face here and the comfort of her son. By Giovanni Boldini

She also, eventually, left him, spent a good deal of her life in philanthropic work,  and had the marriage annulled. She went on to have a great life when she married the dashing Jacques Balsan.

Jacques and Consuelo..happily ever after.

Some of the stories of these ladies just need to be heard. Like that of Jennie Chamberlain, of Ohio who became Lady Naylor-Leyland.

It’s Jennie Chamberlain…from Ohio!

One of the heiresses who really caught our attention was Mary Leiter who fell deeply in love with George Curzon, a young and politically ambitious member of Parliament. Eventually they wed, and after many years he  fell in love with her at last. They moved to India and she became Vicereine of India. They  lived a rather extraordinary life.

Mary Leiter

Lord and Lady Curzon of India ( Pre PETA days)

Tomb of George and Mary Curzon

Time Travel With The History Chicks

The only place we are going to send you with this topic is your favorite bookstore or library.

We only touched on the lives of a few women in this podcast, there are a couple hundred and some change to explore and the book that does it best? To Marry An English Lord, by Gail MacColl and Carol McD Wallace. We LOOOOOOVE this book. This is Beckett’s copy. You really should get your own.

So loved it’s become real!

Another book we both enjoyed was  Consuelo and Alva Vanderbilt: The Story of a Daughter and Mother in the Gilded Age, by Amanda MacKenzie Stuart.

Since you are on a Consuelo bender, check out her book, The Glitter and the Gold.

Finally, after you get good and educated on all of these women of the Gilded Age, get your hands on Edith Wharton’s The Buccaneers. Wharton died before the book was finished, but 50 years later, a Wharton scholar named Marion Mainwaring finished the tale of three American women who marry British Nobility. ( Or you could watch the 1995 BBC miniseries,which is available on dvd).

The Buccaneers, by Edith Wharton

As always, music for our podcast comes courtesy of Music Alley. Visit them at music.mevio.com.