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Jennie Jerome Churchill

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2. Cowes and the Yachting Season

Jennie Jerome Churchill met her husband Lord Randolph during the yachting season at Cowes on The Isle of Wight.

This island is located directly south of England’s mainland.

The Cowes Week festival originates from the Prince Regent’s interest in yachting (which continued after he became King George IV in 1820). Characterized by elite dinners and social events both on and off the water, this resort was prime hunting grounds for that most prized of all quarries – a titled husband!

From Brannon’s “Picture of The Isle of Wight” – which you can read in its verbose Victorian completeness at :

Brannon on Gutenberg

“The decided advantages of Cowes are … its excellent shore for bathing—and its safe and commodious harbour—which recommend it strongly as a fashionable watering-place, and the resort of gentlemen fond of aquatic amusements.”

As Jennie may have seen it.

“The Parade affords a delightful promenade, being on the water’s edge. Here are several first-rate houses, standing at the foot of the steepest part of the hill, which is luxuriantly clothed with hanging shrubberies and several groups of majestic trees, presenting a perfectly unique picture of sylvan and marine beauty. The Royal Yacht-Club House, with its ample awning, and the very elegant Gothic villa of Sir John Hippesley, will be particularly noticed.”

Most events on yachts were not so casual.

Most events abourd the ships were not the casual, barefoot affairs one would think of today . Formality was the norm, and invitations to lunch or dine aboard were taken seriously as markers of one’s social success.

Until the advent of WWI, most racers were gentlemen amateurs who hired and maintained their own crews for the event. Later years saw the advent of racing clubs and fully professional teams.

In 1851 members of the New York Yacht Club raced the schooner America against British competitors around the island. The NYYC won, and the race’s trophy became known as the America‘s Cup, giving its name to the oldest and most prestigious event in international sailboat racing.

The famous schooner “America”

Cowes week still happens each August -if you happen to be in the area, you can plan your trip (or simply read all about it) here:

1. The Angry Prince, or, Why You Shouldn’t Blackmail Your Future Sovereign

While traveling with his friend the Prince of Wales in India, the 7th Earl of Aylesford received a letter from his wife indicating that she wished to leave him for Lord Blandford, eldest son of the Duke of Marlborough. Blandford and Lady Edith had been lovers for a time, and the prolonged absence of her husband to foreign lands proved to be an irresistable temptataion.


Lord Blandford, George Charles Spencer-Churchill.

Lady Edith Aylesford….the temptress in question.

The couple had been separated for some time, but an affair was one thing… a public cuckolding quite another.  The Earl telegraphed to his mother to get hold of his children and keep them until his return.  “A great misfortune has happened.” If only he knew that greater misfortunes were to follow.

Aylesford returned to London, bent on divorce and revenge, and spreading word of the Prince’s vicious condemnation of Blandford as “the greatest blackguard alive.”


Heneage Finch, 7th earl of Aylesford

The Prince of Wales was no angel in the matrimonial fidelity department himself, and Jennie Jerome’s husband Randolph was enraged at what he saw as the Prince’s hypocrisy in dealing with his brother. With undue haste, Randolph threw himself into the fray, taking to Princess Alexandra a bundle of compromising letters that the  Prince himself had once written to Lady Aylesford.


Little pieces of paper often change the world.

Randolph threatened to release these letters to the press,  suggesting that the resultant scandal would make certain that  “the Prince will never sit on the throne of England.” (if those aren’t fighting words, then what are?)

The infuriated and horribly embarrassed Prince,  now on his way back to England, sent word that he would meet Randolph Churchill on the dueling field… to which Randolph blithely answered that he would meet anyone but his future sovereign. (Insert rude gesture here…)

Thus the Prince’s declaration that he would no longer meet ANY Churchills, anywhere, and would not go to any house in which they were recived. This maneuver, since the prince was the big social prize, effectively cut them neatly out of society. (Except for the holdout Consuelo Yznaga, who received them anyway, making us  like her very much indeed).

Prime Minister Disraeli arranged for the letters to be retrieved and burned, and cleverly arranged for Randolph’s father to receive the plum Viceroy appointment in Ireland… with the condition that he take his irritating second son with him out of England. Buh-bye.

And how did it all end?

  • Lord Aylesford – Died at his ranch in Texas, reportedly of complications of alcoholism. Residents reported a pile of empty bottles at his house “taller than a haystack.”
  • Lady Aylesford – Her son (later known as Guy Bertrand) was not allowed to succeed to the title at Lord A’s death… as everyone “knew” he was Blandford’s child… and a child of a separated couple was not automatically  assumed to be legally the progeny of the marriage. The House of Lords voted against his inheritance.
  • The Prince of Wales – Went on to have many open liaisons with (married) mistresses, among them Daisy Warwick, Lillie Langtry, and Mrs. George Keppel. Hmmmm.
  • Lord Randolph- Used his three years’ time rusticating in Ireland to his advantage, bursting back onto the political scene upon his return to England.
  • Blandford – Finalized his own divorce shortly before he became the 8th Duke of Marlborogh. Married American heiress Lily Hammersley, whose fortune was responsible for the central heating at Blenheim. (One less thing for Consuelo Vanderbilt to deal with later, when she married his son!)

Episode 10: Jennie Jerome Churchill

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We wrap up our Gilded Age series with a lively discussion about one of the first wave of Gilded Age Heiresses- an American born woman who gave birth to a son who would eventually be known as one of the greatest Britons in history.

Jennie Jerome Churchill.

A young and captivating Jennie Jerome Churchill

Yes, we talked about her already. But we only gave a thin sketch of her life as a Dollar Princess- we never got to the really juicy parts! We promised you an episode on Jennie Jerome Churchill, and by golly, we are History Chicks of our word!

Jeannette Jerome was born in 1854 into a family with a father who was very good at making money, and also good at losing it…and making it again. Jennie and her three sisters were raised in a fairly wealthy home in Brooklyn, spent summers in Newport, and- when Mama had had enough of watching her husband dally around- lived in Paris.

While there, Empress Eugenie took a shine to the Jerome girls and Parisian life suited them all just fine until war broke out and Clara hustled those girls out of Paris to England. The beautiful Jerome girls quickly assimilated into English society, and when Jennie befriended  Edward, the Prince of Wales- life really started to get interesting!

In 1873, a 19 year-old Jennie Jerome had a three-day romance that ended with a proposal from Lord Randolph-Spencer Churchill, the second son of the 7th Duke of Marlborough. She officially became Lady Churchill.

Lord Randolph Spencer Churchill. Think what you will.

We discussed the hoops the couple had to jump through before marriage when we talked Gilded Age Heiresses and the birth of her first son, Winston but there was a second son born to Jennie and enveloped in scandal as a great deal of this woman’s life is–the family was even exiled to *sarcastic gasp* Ireland!


She also possessed a remarkable resemblance to another famous Lady…

…ok, maybe it’s just us.

When Randolph passed away at age 45 (syphilis…of course it was syphilis) Jennie took up a couple projects, really modern things like starting a magazine and flipping houses—but her biggest success came when she finally turned her attention to her son Winston and his political career and, we all know how that worked out for Winston. (And if you don’t…google…come on, you need to know this one.)

Winston Churchill (not W.C Fields)

Jennie isn’t one to be alone, there were two more marriages (the last one to a man 23 years younger than she…go, Jennie!) At the age of 67, in a very dramatic way, she falls down a set of stairs and amputation is required, gangrene develops and she passed away.

Time Travel With The History Chicks

You can start in Brooklyn and try and figure out which home Jennie was really born! There seems to be some speculation about this. Even her birth held some drama! Start your search with this blog:

Or think globally! Let’s go to Blenheim!

Another blog that you should really bookmark, is Scandalous Woman…but use think link: (the obvious dotcom is not a site you want in your history)

Like your history visual? You can get the DVD set of the 1974 PBS miniseries starring Lee Remick.

DVD Cover of PBS series

Ok, you like books. We know that…

Anne Sebba has two books on Jennie! TWO!  You KNOW there is some more dirt to dig up!

Jennie Churchill:Winston’s American Mother by Anne Sebba

American Jennie: The Remarkable Life of Lady Randolph Churchill by Anne Sebba

You can read the Lady’s own words in The Reminiscences of Lady Randolph Churchill.

The Reminiscences of Lady Randolph Churchill by Jennie Jerome Churchill

Enjoy your travels as you learn more about the very American woman who had  a huge impact on British history!

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Episode 193: Tattooed Ladies

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Inspired by her new tattoo (and challenged by another podcaster) Beckett explores the history of tattoos in women (mostly of North America and Europe, but there’s a history of the art itself, too.) (more…)

Episode 177: Maya Angelou, Part Three

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Maya at Elon University, 2012, Elon Universtiy via Flickr

Maya Angelou was a writer, poet, memoirist, civil rights activist, entertainer, director, producer, mom, friend…but she was most masterful at sharing her life with the perfect collections of words. We use the best ones we can muster to share her remarkable life story.

We wrap up our three-part series on Dr. Angelou beginning as Maya leaves Africa to headed back to the US and work for civil rights leader, and friend, Malcolm X ‘s Organization of African American Unity.  His assassination not long after her arrival sent her into both grief and a search for the next chapter in her life.

Writing. She felt led to be a writer, and the best place for that was back with her literary friends in New York. While there, she took an opportunity to work with her old friend, Martin Luther King, Jr…who was assassinated right before her first day.

But setbacks in life often lead to the perfect path. She threw herself into writing a 10-part PBS series, Blacks, Blues, Black! which lead, in 1969, the publication of her first autobiography, I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings.

For the rest of her (long) life, she combined all of her life experiences, her gifts, her skills, and her wisdom and shared it with the world. She was a memoirist, a poet, a playwright, a songwriter, a performer, a lecturer, an educator…a grandmother…she loved and lost, and all along the way she captured her words in the perfect order projected by her strong personality (and often her unique voice) to leave her mark on our world.

1993 Clinton inauguration Courtesy Clinton Presidential Library


President Obama bestowing the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2010 Courtesy White House

Maya Angelou died on May 28th, 2014 at the age of 86. No one can tell her story like she did, so we’ll leave you with Maya herself sharing a little of her words and wisdom.



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Not technically a book, but Maya Angelou: The Autobiographies from BBC is a six-part, audio dramatization of some of her work. Susan got it for one credit on Audible and had an amazing experience. You can learn more at THIS LINK TO BBC.

You can read every one of her perfectly chosen words in this massive tome: 

Not technically a book, but Maya Angelou: The Autobiographies from BBC is a six-part, audio dramatization of some of her work. Susan got it for one credit on Audible and had an amazing experience. You can learn more at THIS LINK TO BBC

The only detailed biography Susan could find but written before her death by Marcia Anne Gillespie, Rosa Johnson Butler, and Richard A. Long; foreword by Oprah Winfrey


Maya’s essays about memorable food in her life and the recipes- delightful! (And her fried chicken recipe is in here!)


More autobiographical essays with recipes for international dishes all based around her weight loss through portion control.


By Editors of Essence Magazine, essays about her.


Great series for kids, by Ellen LaBrecque


Here is a whole lot of information (and pictures) about the Rosenwald Schools like the one a young Maya Johnson attended: The Rosenwald Schools.

Short NPR interview in the last year of her life, and one where she talks about her time with Porgy and Bess.

There was some discussion about the pronunciation of her name, we went with Maya’s which we found here: Maya Angelou Explains Her Name.

Brain Pickings article about the daily routines of famous writers.

An article on the Quote Investigator site discussing the phrase “Churchillian Drift” coined by radio host, Nigel Rees of the BBC show Quote Unquote (so QI is fact-checking something the OG quote fact-checker said.)

There is a Maya Barbie…do we know what to think about this? 

Her estate maintains a website, there is some information, pictures, and a link to the Dr. Maya Angelou Foundation if you would like to get involved in her life’s work.

Some information (read: the opening of the hole Beckett fell down) the Hawaiian Jazz scene.

Maya’s obituary through a Caribbean lens.

Lift Every Voice and Sing lyrics and essay (from the Library of Congress, no less!)

“Summertime” from Porgy and Bess, Metropolitan Opera:

This makes sense if you listened to the episode, but we simply can not leave it out!

Caged Bird Songs, Maya’s own words with a beat, it may be an acquired taste.


Moving Pictures!

Maya’s first adventure in television occurred in 1968 when she wrote, produced, and hosted a 10-part PBS series Blacks, Blues, Black! The whole series is online HERE!

If you would like to learn about the incredible discovery that made our viewing (here in the future) possible, here’s an article about it: From The Archive

There are so very many interviews with her, if you start with this one, with her dear friend, Oprah, YouTube will connect you with maaaaany more.

PBS has an American experience about Dr. Angelou, it’s streaming on Prime through the PBS Documentaries subscription, but you may be able to find it elsewhere, here’s more information about that Maya Angelou: And Still I Rise.

And, finally, we want you to listen to Maya read and speak her own words, she left so many treasures for us.


We’re going to be in London in August and would love for you to join us for a Thames River Dinner cruise on August 7th, 2021! Get more info and sign-up here at Like Minds Travel

The first break song was A Fork Where a Fork Don’t Fit by James Harper, the second was Sonata Pathétique in C minor by Mario Ajero

End music: Press On by Loot

music used with permission by both iLicenseMusic and James Harper



The Crown Recap: Season 3, Episode 1: Olding

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We’re firing The Recappery back up to recap the latest season of Netflix’s, The Crown. The actors have all “aged up”…although the timeline is mere months after we left them over a year and a half ago. You know what? A healthy dose of Suspension of Disbelief will serve us all well. Besides, we adjusted to the new cast very easily and, of course, we have something to say about that.

In this episode, Queen Elizabeth suffers the loss of her friend, Winston Churchill, and deals with the anti-monarchy sentiments and possible KGB ties of her new Prime Minister. We all also get some art lessons, which is kinda cool.

Like all of our historical fiction media recaps, we cover the plot, characters, story arcs, plot holes, costuming…the whole shebang, plus we compare and contrast to real history tossing little bouquets of trivia as we go.

Bits and Pieces

For more information on the jewels of The Crown, visit The Court Jeweller

For peeks into the Royal Collection, the Royal Collection Trust has a website with very nice photos.

Whatever was Tony tinkering with in his workshop? The Snowdon Aviary which seems to have gotten spruced up a couple of years ago.

Here is A version of Winston Churchill’s funeral, a BBC documentary about it. There are shorter new reels on YouTube as well.

We really hesitate to link you to the four-part miniseries on the Cambridge Spies, but search CAMBRIDGE SPIES BBC on YouTube. If you find a more legit looking version, please let us know!

And here is an article about the testimony given by Anthony Blunt, spy!

For background prep for the rest of the season, you can learn about Queen Elizabeth I and Wallis Simpson in these linked episodes of The History Chicks, our main show.


Thanks for listening! Bye!




Episode 134: Gilded Age Servants and Heiresses

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Consuelo Vanderbilt, the Duchess of Marlboro, one of the women we cover in this episode.

As we got excited about the upcoming Downton Abbey movie, we thought back to the Gilded Age heiresses who inspired both the original TV show AND our podcast. Julian Fellowes and Beckett Graham both read the same book which prompted each to pursue projects based on it. Mr. Fellowes* created Downton Abbey and Mrs. Graham thought, “I should make a women’s history podcast!”


The Crown Recap : Episode 2, Season 2 : A Company of Men

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A Company of Men

Written by Peter Morgan

This episode takes place during Phillip’s five month long, 1956 time out  Goodwill Tour that includes the opening of the 1956 Olympics in Australia. Not unrelated to that tour, Eileen Parker DIYs the investigation into her husband, Mike’s, affairs so she can get a divorce and just because he’s a hot mess at this point in time, Anthony Eden deals with his pharmaceutical demons.

As the title screams, there are a lot of men in this episode:

-All those Navy guys on-board the Britannia

-Phillip and his wingman/personal secretary/BFF Mike Parker

-Prime Minister Anthony Eden and his job-affecting addictions and eagerness to run away while other men clean-up the mess from his Suez Canal blunder

This is the REAL Anthony Eden. Wikicommons

-The threesome of Eileen Parker’s divorce attorney and two of the Queen’s personal secretaries- Michael Adeane and Martin Charteris-who try to keep that divorce as far away from the Royal family as possible.

-Bonus men: Dickie Mountbatten and a fisherman whose story arc lets Phillip realize that there’s no place like home.

But the women have power in this episode:

-A new character, Cake Waitress, has the power help another woman out of  a rotten situation, keep her own job and stick it to the tush-smackers. 

This is a lovely dress on Cake Waitress (Lily! Her name is Lily!)


-Eileen Parker has the power to take control of her own damn life despite the “put on something pretty” advice from her loose-lipped lawyer (solicitor…but we’re American so…)


-Helen King, an Australian reporter who has a different definition of “interview” than the Duke does, has the power to make him relive a past he wanted to keep buried.


Phillip’s childhood was far from a cushy, royal upbringing.

-The Queen who has the power to see right through her PMs’s cut-and-run plan, and to create a platform that allowed her and Phillip to communicate even though he was on the underside of world.

Margaret and the Queen Mum have the power to make mulled wine appear. We would like that power. Very much.

Instead we’ll just give you this recipe for Mulled Wine from Ina Garten to make your own like all of us common folk must.

Of course, we’re all about the actual history:

The 1956 Olympic opening ceremonies in Melbourne:


The history of women journalists in Australia. Helen King (as far as we can tell) was a fictional character, but based in reality.

The real Christmas Message 1956 is a little off from the one we heard in this episode, but pretty close.

We can’t embed it, but here’s a link to the video of ANTHONY EDEN AND LADY EDEN LEAVING FOR HIS “REST”–watch her face for the highest level of entertainment.

You can visit the Britannia! If you do and reenact any scenes from The Crown, get us photo or video evidence and we’ll…we don’t know but it will be cool. For more about the ship that flies the flags of two countries, USS Winston S. Churchill 

There is more on Phillip’s story later this season, but if you want to spoil that a bit, here’s some reading to get you started: Phillip’s very sad and tragic youth

She walked SIX FEET and took her bag…what is in that thing!?

What is in the Queen’s handbag? Here are some items spotted by really nosey observant people.

We didn’t mention this, but we will direct you in future episodes—this site, Tom and Lorenzo, recap the CLOTHES of each episode. They did it last season as well, and it’s brilliant.

We’ll leave you staring at the sea with Phillip although you’re probably not dressed in such a dashing sweater.

Photo credit: Netflix; Stills: The History Chicks via Netflix

Chronological Subjects

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We don’t cover women in chronological order, we cover them in no order. We’re zipping all over time and continents like a TARDIS set to RANDOM: Ancient Rome to late 1800s Poland then pretty soon we’re in 1600s Africa. But we do appreciate that some people would like to listen to our show in chronological order and thanks to our amazingly organized friend, Sarah Frawley, they can.

2021 update: We weren’t great at keeping this list current with our episodes, so a very kind and organized listener, Nancy G. Rosoff, took pity on us and made this fancy spreadsheet with the hopes of keeping it updated. If she can’t…well, she’s in very good company. You can find this at: History Chicks Chronology. Thanks so much, Nancy!!


Episodes in Chronological Order, with Links


Hatshepsut…1507-1458 BCE…#45

Cleopatra VII…69-30 BCE…#46

Agrippina the Younger…15-59…#73

Hypatia of Alexandria…355?-415…#95

Eleanor of Aquitaine…1122-1204…#86

Joan of Arc…1412-1431…#51

Tudor Grandmothers…1441/43-1509; 1466-1503…#21

Katherine of Aragon…1485-1536…#22

Anne Boleyn…1501/1507-1536…Minicast

Last Four Wives of Henry VIII…1508-1537; 1515-1557; 1521-1542; 1512-1548…#24

Queen Mary I…1516-1558…#30

Grace O’Malley…1530-1603…#109

Lady Jane Grey…1536/1537-1554…#31

Elizabeth I…1533-1603…#43, 44

Mary, Queen of Scots…1542-1587…#58

Elizabeth Bathory…1560-1614…#118

Queen Nzinga…1583-1663…#80

Artemisia Gentileschi…1593-1653…#85


Madame de Pompadour…1721-1764…#19

Catherine the Great…1729-1796…#61,62

Abigail Adams…1744-1818…#4

Phillis Wheatley…1753-1784…#119

Marie Antoinette…1755-1793…#53, 54

Schuyler Sisters…1756-1814; 1757-1854; 1758-1801…#71

The Duchess of Devonshire…1757-1806…#17

Mary Wollstonecraft…1759-1797…#16

Sybil Ludington…1761-1839…Minicast

Dolley Madison…1768-1849…#5

Jane Austen…1775-1817…#38

Sophie Blanchard…1778-1819…Minicast

Princess Charlotte…1796-1817…#13

Mary Shelley…1797-1851…#Minicast

Sojourner Truth…1797-1883…#96

Marie Laveau…1801-1881…#89

Elizabeth Cady Stanton…1815-1902…#36

Ada Lovelace…1815-1852…#103

Mary Todd Lincoln…1818-1882#69, 70

Queen Victoria…1818-1901….#11,12

Elizabeth Keckley…1818-1907…#72

Lydia Pinkham…1819-1883…#52

Clara Barton…1821-1912…#14

Harriet Tubman…1822-1913…#117

“The” Mrs. Astor…1830-1908…#8

Belva Lockwood…1830-1917…#77

Louisa May Alcott…1832-1888…#104

Victoria Woodhull…1838-1927…#76

Queen Lili’Oukalani…1838-1917…#97

Annie Chambers…1842-1935…Minicast

Belle Starr…1843-1889…#115

Carry (Carrie) Nation…1846-1911…#47

Calamity Jane…1852-1903…#115

Empress Cixi…1853-1908…#105

Gilded Age Heiresses…1853-1909; 1853-1919; 1870-1906…#9

Jennie Jerome Churchill…1854-1921…#10

Annie Oakley…1860-1926…#92

Lizzie Borden…1860-1927…#6

Jane Addams…1860-1935 #112, 113

Ida B. Wells…1862-1931…#25

Nellie Bly…1864-1922…#20

Anne Sullivan Macy…1866-1936…Minicast

Wallis Simpson…1869-1986…#93/94

Beatrix Potter…1866-1943…#64

Madam C.J. Walker…1867-1919…#68

Margaret “Molly” Brown…1867-1932…#23

Marie Curie…1867-1934…#74, 75

Laura Ingalls Wilder…1867-1957…#2

Romanovs…1872-1918…#32, 33

Emily Post…1872-1960…#91

Four Inventors…1873-1950; 1839-1913; 1891-1970; 1914-2000…#60

Lucy Maud Montgomery…1874-1942…#88

Lillian Gilbreth…1878-1972…#59

Helen Keller…1880-1968…#7

Coco Chanel…1883-1971…#98

Georgia O’Keeffe…1887-1986…#110

Agatha Christie…1890-1976…#48

Bessie Coleman…1892-1926…#41

Mary Pickford…1892-1979…#107

Statue of Liberty…1886-?…#108

Wallis Simpson…1896-1986…#94

Amelia Earhart…1897-1937…#39

Hattie McDaniel…1895-1952…#50

Dorothy Parker…1893-1967…#55, 56

Zelda Fitzgerald…1900-1948…#66

Clara Bow…1905-1965…#27

Josephine Baker…1906-1975…#34, 35

Frida Kahlo…1907-1954…#42

Lucille Ball…1911-1989…#82,83

Julia Child…1912-2004…#29

Rosa Parks…1913-2005…#26

Ella Fitzgerald…1917-1996…#18

Shirley Chisholm…1924-2005…#78

Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis…1929-1994…#100/101

Audrey Hepburn…1929-1993…#120

Anne Frank…1929-1945…#114







Episode 94: Wallis Simpson, Part Two

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When we left Wallis in 1936, her boyfriend just got a major promotion that would, more than likely, leave her in the rear view mirror of his life. She was cool with that, but he had a whole different vision: Wallis in the passenger seat.

While on a cruise of the Dalmatian coast they were photographed…a lot.


Episode 62: A Conversation with Carol Wallace

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Life. It’s funny, you know? Like the time both of us were sick for so long that we couldn’t record Catherine the Great Part 2 for this week’s show but, instead, have this conversation between Beckett and Carol Wallace?

Funny in a “well, that’s a little different” way.

In 2010 one of us- Beckett- wanted to hear a podcast like her favorite book of all time, To Marry an English Lord, by Gail MacColl and Carol Wallace, but couldn’t find one. So we made one.

In 2014 we had drinks with Carol Wallace.

In 2015 this conversation was recorded and lived in a computer until now.

The book that inspired this podcast AND Downton Abbey!

The book that inspired this podcast AND Downton Abbey!